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ShadowbaneX · Nov 24, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by -.-

Not if you're afk farming.

I highly doubt that afk farming of lightbringer points is the only way to get into it.

buy and die · Nov 24, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

I must agree with mirko here. It's not easy to find a decent PUG for the elite missions in cantha, at least it wasnt before the release of nightfall and I again agree that letting everyone in made the thing not only hard but close to impossible.

I'm well aware that neither alliance faction nor lightbringer rank make a good measure wether to let people in or not but at least the LB rank requires some work (wether afk or not) which should decrease the amount of utter idiots and kiddies.

Nevertheless the only way to get a really good group together is by gathering alliance or guild folks to get some coordination into the thing using voice chat or something similar. In the end neither faction nor LB rank wil change that even though LB rank will probably be a damn useful thing in the NF E-mish.

So yea even if you cant do the afk farm you can slaughter margonites in domain of secrets and get some points over time, I dont believe anet will set the req higher than rank 3 or 4 anyway which of both are well reachable without afk farming (I got to r3 1/2 without afking).

Sir Mad · Nov 24, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

I for one, hope this will limit the entry to rank 5 or even more. Remember, this is the elite mission area and some work should be required to get there. If not, then it's just another area.
Remember the weekend even when they opened access to elite mission to everyone? That was the worst PVE event ever. Every kid and his dog were there pushing usually even so low average quality of players even further into the ground.

True. Spamming "LF TAXI TO THE DEEP!" is indeed a very good filter: you can be sure with that only 1337 players can play the elite missions

Pebbles · Nov 24, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

¬_¬ Joy for the discriminatory asshats. I hope its a low rank entry requirement.ba Because we all know in the end the only teams whitch will be able to get in will be barrage parties like it ALWAYS is. So there will be no point to grinding my elementalist to such a high number of points.

What possable use is there for R5 on a monk!? NONE thats what many monks carry better elites than lightbringers signet and from personal experience in the elite missions a monk is far to busy healing to use gaze effectively.

So begin so elitist and a picky knownothing ass about it wouldn't improove the calibur of teams it would just stop any teams begin formed.

Antheus · Nov 24, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

I see Lightbringer 2 and above the same way as Infusion in Prophecies. You don't need it to play or even finish the game. But it makes it a whole lot easier.

The rank requirement to this area will almost certainly be of the same difficulty as Sunspear general requirement. It's obtainable just by playing through the game without any need for farming.

There will always be some that will be short on points. For some, it will always be too high. But then again, who cares. Elite area = difficult challenge = admitance requirement.

Rank discrimination within such mission. When going for Court of ... mission, I simply join or start a masters gaze group. Am I discriminating? I'm saving time. Forming such a group and time needed combined with considerably higher success rate makes it faster and more reliable. And R2 is really fast to get, it takes 3 djin runs at most (with full henchie group) right there outside of the mission area.

But all the fear here is unwarranted. So far, no area anywhere required any special conditions. FoW/UW is a different case, but even then, nobody is required to do something. Beat the game, then wait till area is open.

So if, then LB2 will almost certainly be the only requirement.

TheSonofDarwin · Nov 24, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by buy and die

I'm well aware that neither alliance faction nor lightbringer rank make a good measure wether to let people in or not but at least the LB rank requires some work (wether afk or not) which should decrease the amount of utter idiots and kiddies.

Actually, you'd be more prone to utter idiots and kiddies getting in. It's the normal players, ones who can't let their computers run and sit afk in a spot that get punished while the idiots can go afk farm instead of spamming obscenities and game spoilers in Kamadan and other towns.

That said, r3 is easy enough to get by playing normally through the game, collecting bounties as you go. I haven't farmed at all for lightbringer points, just did quests after I beat the game and that was enough.

I don't think there needs to be any type of filter for getting in though. Anet has implemented the best filters already: the guild and the friends list. If people can't use what is already available I don't see a reason to add in a more inefficient way of doing the same thing.

Zinger314 · Nov 24, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

It'll definately be a R3 Lightbringer requirement, since R3 can easily be obtained by doing merely a few quests in the Realm of Torment and taking the bounties. R4 requires almost all quests be done, so ArenaNet would be best to keep it at R3.

I would prefer a "Protector of Elona" requirement. That would be the true way to filter out the idiots.

Antheus · Nov 24, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I would prefer a "Protector of Elona" requirement. That would be the true way to filter out the idiots.

That would result in a bunch of players who heroway the entire storyline, since they can't be bothered with idiots and morons in PUGs. After all, all PUGs are absolute disaster and proof of incompetence, and aren't capable of finishing a single mission, right?

People you know and who know you. That's the one and only filter that works. Social rules and enforcement will always triumph over any and all score systems.

buy and die · Nov 24, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

It'll definately be a R3 Lightbringer requirement, since R3 can easily be obtained by doing merely a few quests in the Realm of Torment and taking the bounties. R4 requires almost all quests be done, so ArenaNet would be best to keep it at R3.

I would prefer a "Protector of Elona" requirement. That would be the true way to filter out the idiots.

While r3 would infact work I'm not the biggest fan of the protector title. Just managed to get masters with hench on jennurs horde (my favourite mission now) and I'm at 18/20 now, the simple thought of gate of madness makes me want to hit someone.

It would keep idiots out of the mish... along with 99% of all other gw players. But then again assuming you would be able to get 12 people together the run would most likely be promising.

Bit harsh if you ask me but I'm starting to like the idea of something sick like that

Eclair · Nov 24, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by buy and die

While r3 would infact work I'm not the biggest fan of the protector title. Just managed to get masters with hench on jennurs horde (my favourite mission now) and I'm at 18/20 now, the simple thought of gate of madness makes me want to hit someone.

It would keep idiots out of the mish... along with 99% of all other gw players. But then again assuming you would be able to get 12 people together the run would most likely be promising.

Bit harsh if you ask me but I'm starting to like the idea of something sick like that

Really? I don't see how Gates of Madness Masters is any harder than just beating the mission itself. Destroying the portals seem pretty easy.

TheSonofDarwin · Nov 24, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by buy and die

While r3 would infact work I'm not the biggest fan of the protector title. Just managed to get masters with hench on jennurs horde (my favourite mission now) and I'm at 18/20 now, the simple thought of gate of madness makes me want to hit someone.

Ack. Masters on Gate of Madness is, I think, the first Masters requirement that makes doing the standard part easier.

I love the idea of Protector of Elona though if a requirement is needed. Not going to idle your way in that way unless you have a lot of money.

Lavindathar · Nov 24, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

If there is going to be ANY requirement, I'd definately go for Protector Of Elona. In fact, any of the protector titles, as otherwise it's gonna be Derv/Para teams for a long time.

unienaule · Nov 24, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Makkert

- aparantly Gates of Madness is a bottleneck for bad players

Makes me want to find whoever designed that mission and give them a cookie.

Tarus From Taros · Nov 25, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Makes me want to find whoever designed that mission and give them a cookie.

Honestly, I think every mission should be as hard or harder then Madness once you get out of the starter area of any chapter. Players don't get skilled by completing all these simple missions nor paying people to run them.

aohige · Nov 25, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by Antheus

That would result in a bunch of players who heroway the entire storyline, since they can't be bothered with idiots and morons in PUGs. After all, all PUGs are absolute disaster and proof of incompetence, and aren't capable of finishing a single mission, right?

People you know and who know you. That's the one and only filter that works. Social rules and enforcement will always triumph over any and all score systems.

Not all PUG, no.
But seeing "6/8 GLF 2 Experienced Monks!! no noobs!" SPAM in pretty much all over Elona, and seeing bitching and gripings of "this mission is impossible" shouts in those areas, I think many of us feel reluctant to join a PUG.

Even in Prophecies, I had easier time with henchmen than most PUG, and with introduction of heroes it became even more so.

As for Elite Mission, I don't really care what the requirement will be, as long as it's not too rediculous. A lightbringer rank3 & completion of the game would be good enough, IMO.
Besides, I don't plan to PUG the elite mission. We have plenty of guildies and alliance friends to team up with.

Making friends with guildies and alliance is the core of this game.
I know not everyone are that lucky, but working to get into a community really pays off in "fun factor" of GuildWars. I highly recommend it

BlackRecluse · Nov 25, 2006, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by Tarus From Taros

Honestly, I think every mission should be as hard or harder then Madness once you get out of the starter area of any chapter. Players don't get skilled by completing all these simple missions nor paying people to run them.

i really dont think gate of madness was that difficult..it was harder than the average nightfall mission but didnt compare on a level of frustration (if that equals difficulty in some situations) to some missions in Cantha. i also hope these new areas arent like urgoz and the deep, i.e. going through the entire thing with one thing in mind. i hope they're more like the open-ended FoW and UW that really serve almost no purpose and offer no reward (other than ectos, shards and i guess armor). meh

Thomas.knbk · Nov 25, 2006, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Tonepalu

Also, these ranks are not meant to be snobbery, you actually need 2500 points for A primary quest before you can continue in the storyline. ("And A Hero Shall Lead Them"<<thats the name of said quest

)

That's sunspear points. We're discussing Lightbringer points here.
GG

GreatLich · Nov 25, 2006, 08:34 AM // 08:34

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Originally Posted by Antheus

People you know and who know you. That's the one and only filter that works. Social rules and enforcement will always triumph over any and all score systems.

QFT
a good guild/f-list gets you everywhere

the downside to this is that "it's not what you know, but who you know" becomes true

Juicey Shake · Nov 25, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53

I don't even see how you consider gate of madness hard.. I hit c-spacebar over and over for that mission.. that's it.. got masters on it ~_~

Senator Tom · Nov 25, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

thats cause you're leet juice

I know that I'm definately looking forward to r8 lb elite mission groups